03 August 2006

Self or Soul and Buddhism

Interesting topic - I love the Human Nature paper, which brought up the conversation about the view of soul in Buddhism between me and my friends.


Something may or may not interest you. Remember last time I told you that in Buddhism doctrine there is no personal identity and no individual soul? I’ve done more readings on this and to confirm it. According to what Nagasena (十八羅漢的第十二位 -- 那伽犀那) said, that one’s Kamma (業) is transferred from one body to another, but there is no separately existing being which is transferred. Hence one is not committed to belief in a substantial soul (the idea of “not-self”, or anatta (無我)). Soul-as-separable-substance view of reincarnation is from the Hinduism doctrine, or from Plato.

More on this, Theravada Buddhists do not use the terms “transmigration” or “reincarnation” because both of these expressions imply the existence of a permanent soul or self, which is contrary to the Buddha’s teaching of anatta (not-self). “Rebirth” is the idea instead – which is simply a process of cause and effect.

“Light a candle with a match, or visualise doing it. Hold the wick directly above the lighted match, but not actually touching the flame. Watch carefully. The wick will begin to smoke, and will then burst into flame. Does the flame jump from the match to the candle? Is the candle flame the same as the flame on the match, or is it a different one? If we describe the process scientifically we will say that the heat from the flame on the match vaporised some paraffin wax from the candle, and the paraffin vapour ignited, producing a new flame. The two flames are separate and burn from different fuels, but are causally related.

Likewise, kamma done in one existence is like the heat. The candle is like the physical basis provided by the parents. The candle flame is like the newly born being that arises dependent upon previous causes and present supporting conditions. One important difference between rebirth and the two flames is that the last conscious moment of the previous existence ceases totally, then rebirth consciousness arises immediately afterwards. No mental or physical phenomena “transmigrate” or pass between the two existences. Rebirth is simple a process of cause and effect. Whatever potential a being has accumulated throughout many existences is preserved to give its results whenever and wherever conditions are ripe. No good or evil deeds that a being does are destroyed at death. Some may be too weak to give any effect, but any significant kammas retain their potential to give results at some point in the future, as the seeds of desert plants await the coming of rain. Powerful kammas give their results immediately, while weaker kammas may have to wait for aeons to mature.”

You can read the debate of King Milinda and Nagasena for some higher level ideas.

I always think Buddhism is cool, and I like some of the ideas and thoughts. However, I doubt that many people who claimed they believe in Buddhism these days don’t really know what they are believing or even are believing in something they thought it was in the Buddhism doctrine. This of course happen in a lot of Christians these days too, who create their own set of doctrines and claimed to be what God thinks. If we believe in something, some religion, no matter what it is, we have to have the motivation to understand what we really believe. It’s no point for us sitting there just presume that what we’ve received from some seniors are all correct. We have to find out why and what to accept and not to.

So, now you know, actually Buddhism don’t care about “Self”, you won’t have “next-life” according to Nagasena. Shocked? :D

3 comments:

  1. 間中也有想過死後世界的問題,那伽犀那的理論跟我假設過的其中一個蠻吻合。

    電腦世界。大家也是電腦人,希望你會明我講乜啦。

    就是,世界是虛疑的,這個宇宙就在ram中運行,所有存在的都是一個個object instance。
    人死,就像object instance的lifecycle完了,被丟到garbage pool等collect(天堂/地獄),到一定時間garbage collector就會來清理,你之前佔著的memory address(業)會被後來新造的其他object instance繼承/佔據,可能是「人」,也可能是「豬牛羊」(輪迴),但他和你的object instance一點關係也沒有。
    因此我也不信今生行善來生就會股胎做人或脫離輪迴這回事(除非那個memory location被我整死了哈哈!)。

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  2. Nagasena does not believe in transmigration: there is nothing to be transmigrated.

    I don't agree that Kamma is similar to memory address. It is more like you raise an event. There are number of event handlers listening to your event, some of them you know, some of them you don't. These event handler methods may propagate the effect by raising other events, or altering the database, or sending an email, who knows.

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  3. 岩岩發現自己在回一個古老post,難怪在2007June找了半天找不到。blogger的rss feed到底在搞什麼鬼啊~~

    唔……可能我還不是完全理解那伽犀那的理論,再看一遍~
    唉,佛法有時不好的地方是很虛無飄渺,要透徹明白還真不容易。可能是我想像力不好吧,還是太鑽牛角尖了?

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